Ep. 81: Kyle Potter, Thrifty Traveler

[00:00:04] Welcome everyone to this episode of So Much More. We're really excited about the stories, the information we're going to share today. I am your host today, Dan Jasper, and I am joined by my colleague and co-host, Jill Renslow. Jill, how are you doing? Jill Renslow I am fabulous. Great to be with you again today. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Well, it's good to see you and we're in Minnesota and it is cold outside again. Jill Renslow It is cold. And so everybody's thinking about travel

[00:00:30] and getting out of the cold. So super excited about this conversation. Dr. Justin Marchegiani I am too because people are envisioning paradise, right? And where to go for spring break and it's right around the corner. So we're lucky to have as our guest and expert in this realm, Kyle Potter, who is the executive editor of Thrifty Traveler. Kyle accumulates more than a hundred thousand miles a year in air travel,

[00:00:55] which I find astounding. That's crazy. And has visited more than 30 countries. He has a passion for travel and he understands something that most of us don't understand, the confusing world of travel, airlines, points, miles, rewards, all of that stuff, right? Welcome, Kyle. How are you doing? Kyle Renslow I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to talk shop with you all. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Yeah, it's going to be fun. And you are an expert in this area, correct? Kyle Renslow If you say so.

[00:01:21] Kyle Renslow No, you know what? I've been doing this full time. I mean, this has been my work is helping people travel for the last six and a half years. So I hope you can call me an expert in it after six and a half years. If you can't, I might need to start looking for new work. Dr. Justin Marchegiani I think you're good. We're going to start, we're talking about spring break today and the travel that we have. And right before we started rolling the program, Jill brought up a really good point about planning ahead versus, what were you talking about, Jill?

[00:01:49] Well, I'm notorious for having good intentions of planning ahead. But when you're navigating kids' schedules and just all the different things, it feels like it's always last minute. And then I'm always quickly trying to scurry around to put together a spring break plan that everybody will enjoy and try not to spend a fortune on it. But when you hit those peak seasons and you're planning last minute, it's hard to do. So would love your advice. As people are planning for spring break,

[00:02:16] especially those that might be procrastinators, but don't, they don't try to, they want, have good intentions to start early. Where, you know, being now the first part of the year, people don't have things booked. What is your advice? You ready for a really unsatisfying answer? Do we have a choice? It depends. Okay. Now it, it, it, the, the peak travel period. So spring break, spring break, definitely Christmas,

[00:02:41] New Year's, Thanksgiving. It's always really tough. It's tough to get all of your pieces in place, but it's also really tough to kind of pinpoint when the best time to book a flight is because it's always changing. But there are some, you know, there are some patterns in how airlines do this, especially when it comes to flight, but it also applies to hotels too. And, and other costs of a trip. I would say you definitely don't want to leave it to the last minute. And last minute is, you know,

[00:03:09] especially for these peak spring break Christmas travel periods, the last 30 days or so before departure. Once you get inside that window, that's when airlines really know that people are desperate and that they're willing to pay even more than they otherwise would for a flight. But does that mean you want to plan a full 11 months in advance and book a flight for spring break in June of 2025 for spring break, 2026? No. So there's kind of this Goldilocks window and it's typically somewhere

[00:03:37] between, you know, I would say six to seven months out and two to three months out. And if you're in that window booking that far ahead, especially for these peak travel periods, that tends to be where you're going to find the lowest prices before prices start to creep up again for those procrastinators. But the honest, the honest truth is it really just depends. And is that whole true for domestic as well as international destinations? Absolutely. I mean, I would say if anything, you can, you can wait a little bit longer for domestic.

[00:04:06] We, you know, even, even for peak travel periods, we tend to see prices bottom out two to three months in advance, some, in some cases, two, one and a half months. So you can, you can afford to wait a little bit longer sometimes for domestic travel destinations. But you know what, if you're looking to get to Phoenix, you know, in the, in late March and you're looking in early March or even late February, odds are you're going to see a price that you don't really like because everybody's trying to get to Phoenix or Miami or Fort Lauderdale or Fort Myers or wherever.

[00:04:36] Yeah. So you talk about kind of the time, the months, like those timestamps of when you should look, what about days of the weeks? I know we live in the world of the retail cycle. And of course, during Black Friday that weekend, it's kind of like you have Black Friday, then you have Cyber Monday, they have Travel Tuesday and it's like, you know, that's the big day to book travel. But, you know, during the week, what are those weekdays that they drop the best deals where people should

[00:05:00] be looking for those travel opportunities? I have accepted at this point that I'm going to go to my grave screaming, there's no best day to book flights. Okay. But there's not. There used to be, you know, back in the days when airlines would manually enter fares in a database or they would, you know, use some form of a fax machine, let's call it, in order to set the prices for the next

[00:05:25] couple of months of flights. That isn't the case anymore and it hasn't been for decades now. Everything in flight prices is changing, not just by the hour, but by the minute and in some cases, by the second. Which means that there's no best day to book flights. Travel Tuesday, I will just call it a marketing gimmick. That is airlines and hotels and travel companies seizing on people's readiness after Black Friday to spend more money. And people just kind of go into those

[00:05:54] days believing that they're going to get the best deal. And so caution goes out the wind and you book it because you think you're getting the best deal. This idea that Tuesdays, I mean, Tuesdays, any day, any week of the year, any month of the year is the best day to book flights also hasn't been true for a really long time because again, airlines are constantly changing and manipulating and millions of Americans are booking flights every hour of every day. So prices are constantly on the

[00:06:20] move. The best time to book a flight is when you find a good deal, but timing does still matter. But the timing really has less to do with when you book the ticket. It's when you put your butt in that seat on the plane. And so Tuesdays are important because that is an off-peak travel day. You know, Americans who are flying somewhere for work or even for vacation, they love to depart on a Monday. They love to come back on a Sunday. If you can avoid those days and get on the plane on a Tuesday,

[00:06:48] a Wednesday, or even a Saturday, I mean, that is really the ticket to savings. Gotcha. So that's about when you book, but looking at the flight, departures and arrivals will really make a difference. Good. Because I'm a sucker for those marketing employees. So obviously. Understandably. They work, right? They work. You're executive editor at Thrifty Traveler and you're sharing some tips with us today. Tell us a little bit about Thrifty Traveler and thriftytraveler.com and how that helps travelers with their needs.

[00:07:18] I mean, like we just covered, this is confusing. And there's a lot of misinformation about how airlines set their prices and what you can do and what you can't do to get a good deal. And we just just kind of running our website, which is publishing guides about how to actually find a good deal. How to use a tool like Google Flights, which is far and away the best search engine to find the best deal on flights. How to redeem airline miles and make sure you're not

[00:07:47] getting ripped off by the airlines who think, you know, you should be paying 50,000 points to fly from Minneapolis to Las Vegas when really you can probably do it for 10,000 round trip or less. Okay. And all of the tips and tricks and secrets and hacks that we feel like people need to know because our mission really simply is just to help people travel more for less. So we do that on our website, but we also do that with a subscription service where, you know, you pay us $99 a year

[00:08:14] and we send you all of the best flight deals that we can find from your home airport every single day of the week, 365 days a year. As part of that subscription, can you also put down your preferred destinations and have it customized at all or? You can't. And here's why, because what we find is that we hear from a lot of people about this, that I just want to get a cheap flight to Cancun or I want

[00:08:38] to go to London. And those are the only alerts that I want. And odds are we will find you something that's going to work, but by letting you filter out everything else and only get those flight alerts to London, you're going to miss a lot of incredible deals. So for example, if you only said, I just want a cheap flight to London, that's all I care about. You would have missed earlier in 2024

[00:09:02] when the airlines made a mistake and sold round trip tickets from Minneapolis to Dublin for $135 round trip. Whoa. Okay. We need to get signed up. I want to go to Ireland. This sounds awesome. Yeah. No, I love that thought though, because people are so narrowed in on sometimes the destinations that they believe they want and they have it on their bucket list, which is great. But there are so many amazing destinations. And I think that's great because it gives them exposure to things that they might not have had on their radar that they could do very affordably.

[00:09:33] Exactly. And so what we hear from our longtime members, even people who have been with us for just a matter of months is that, you know, getting these deals in our inbox and just seeing what's out there has changed the way that they travel. And the key to saving on travel, if there's one silver bullet, it's just flexibility. Now that can be flexibility in when you travel, you know, say you're willing to depart on a Tuesday instead of a Monday, that kind of flexibility is great. That can save you a hundred

[00:10:00] dollars or more on domestic airfare. But the best kind of flexibility is just the willingness to go wherever a deal will take you. If you're willing to kind of leave your bucket list behind, at least temporarily and open yourself up to, you know, going to new destinations, if the price looks right and, you know, willing to let that flight deal guide you, that is the key to, you know, traveling for quite literally pennies on the dollar. Yeah. And are you guys scraping all the content for all the

[00:10:29] airlines, all the hotels, or do you have specific partnerships with specific airlines and hotels? Airlines don't like us. I mean, and this gets back to what we talked about with Travel Tuesday and other marketing ploys like that is that airlines and hotels never advertise their best sales. They never advertise their best deals. Everything that we see for, you know, whether it's $135 round trip, which was a mistake, the airline did not intend to sell that for what should have been a $900 or more

[00:10:58] round trip flight, or, you know, being able to fly from, you know, Chicago to Tokyo for under $600 round trip. That's a result of airlines deciding, you know what, Delta decides that in Chicago, they really want to stick it to United and American and try and poach some of their customers by offering, you know, otherwise loyal American or United customers a really great deal. So we don't partner

[00:11:25] with airlines because if we did, we wouldn't be able to give people these amazing deals. That's a really, that's a really good point. You grew up in Minnesota. You're a Minnesota kid, right? And up on the North shore, Duluth, and you've spent time here in the Twin Cities. I would love to hear your insights on our airport because as we look out our studio window right now, there's the airport right there. We are right next to MSP International Airport. We love it. We think it's awesome. What

[00:11:55] are your thoughts on our airport? Oh, it's, it's one of the best airports in the country, if not the world. And I'm very biased. I grew up in, I grew up in Minnesota. I now live, you know, a six minute drive from the airport and probably a six minute drive from you all too. So the proximity is definitely in my favor here, but it truly is a world-class airport for a couple of reasons. I mean, they're constantly working on improving it to a degree that other airports, you know, not more

[00:12:23] than a couple hours away by plane from here are not doing. But I think most importantly for us Minnesotans who are trying to get through the winter, the ability for this airport to keep planes moving on time when they get, you know, 20 inches of snow in a single day is absolutely incredible. There are airports across the country that get a fraction of the amount of snow that we do if they get a flake of snow at all that are just completely unable to keep up with any inclement

[00:12:53] weather. And, you know, my hats off to the entire operations team at our airport. Minnesotans are absolutely blessed by what we are able to do here. Agreed. Can you talk a little bit about, and I agree, we oftentimes during a snowstorm, we'll look out our windows and watch them. They are a machine, right? Clearing that snow. What makes it so convenient for those coming to Mall of America on spring break who might be flying into MSP? Can you talk about that journey and some of your

[00:13:20] observations? I mean, the light rail is fantastic, right? I mean, being able to get here in one stop or two is amazing for people to, you know, get to the basement level and then just start shopping. The fact that you can do it on a layover. Yeah. If you want to, if you have, you know, even I would say two hours to kill, I would very gladly, if I wasn't a six minute drive away, spend a layover coming over here to grab something to eat,

[00:13:46] get out of the airport, get a little bit of fresh air, but explore, you know, a premier shopping destination in the world. Yep. And we have a lot of people that do fly into MSP and they're on a layover and they venture over here, right? As they should. And it's so much fun. Do you have some memories of them all since you grew up in Minnesota? What's kind of a fun memory? Yeah. You know, I have two that come to mind. Before I became a journalist and a traveler,

[00:14:14] I played a lot of music. But before that, I told myself at five foot 10 that what became a five foot 10 human being, that I was going to be a professional soccer goalie. My parents were good enough to tell me that that wasn't realistic, but that's great. But that started because, you know, I decided I wanted to start playing goalie and I bought my first pair of goalie gloves at Oshman's here at the Mall of America, which I mean, I don't know when that closed. Maybe you all can

[00:14:43] tell me, I'm guessing it's been at least 20 years, but I very vividly remember. It's been a while. Yeah. But it was, I mean, before it's time, it was super interactive and it was a great sports retail destination. It was. Yeah. No. And I very vividly remember walking through Oshman's more than once, but that visit in particular, which, you know, really kind of set the course for the next 10 plus years of my life and what I thought I would be. And more recently, I mean, one of the highlights

[00:15:10] of, you know, not just my time at Thrifty Traveler, but my entire career has been partnering with Make-A-Wish Minnesota and running their mileage drive in 2020. And we set up this day for this incredible young girl named Daisy, where she went on a scavenger hunt across the mall and following her around and, you know, getting to the point where, you know, we gave her the big

[00:15:35] reveal that she was going to go to Atlantis in the Bahamas and, you know, get to spend time with sea life that she loved after, you know, just having the worst health setbacks for years and years. It was one of the coolest experiences of my life. And having that here was really special. So that's great. We love hearing those stories and we work with Make-A-Wish often with granting wishes and it is very special to make an impact on those kids and their families. So that's great for you. Thank you for sharing.

[00:16:03] Yeah, that's awesome. And thank you for helping with that organization. It's a good organization. We talked a little bit about MSP Airport, which we love here at Mall of America and in Minnesota. Share a little tea. What's an airport that you may not think is the best? I want to hear this one. You know, I'll say this. For as much as I love Minneapolis, there just are not as many international flight options as I would like. And that means that I often find myself,

[00:16:33] including this weekend, going through O'Hare in Chicago. And every time I go through O'Hare, I'm like, this airport has not changed since Home Alone was filmed in 1988. What is going on here? Why can planes never run on time? Why, you know, several years ago, did we wake up to a cancellation for a flight from Minneapolis to O'Hare due to weather and have

[00:16:59] to drive seven hours only to pull up to O'Hare and see it's a perfect, beautiful day? What is wrong with this airport? So, you know what? O'Hare, to its credit, has gotten a lot better within the last few years. If they can just, you know, learn some lessons from Minneapolis on how to keep things moving on time, I think everybody would benefit. But if nothing else, it does show me again, just how much I value our home airport here.

[00:17:25] I love it. Well, I have to ask with your travels around the world, literally, where was your favorite destination? It has to be Vietnam. You know, I went there for the first time in 2017, which, you know, I talked about, you know, buying a pair of soccer gloves at Oshman's setting the course of, you know, the next 10 or 15 years of my life. That trip, you know, put me on the course of where

[00:17:52] I am today because, you know, Vietnam in particular, I think just really rewired my brain about what I value. And travel became, you know, one of, if not the biggest things in my life as a result of that trip, because it's just, it's hard to put into words just how special Vietnam is to me. And I've been back since, but it's been, you know, a good six years now and I'm itching to get back there. Why did you choose Vietnam? Yeah.

[00:18:22] That's a really good question. And I don't know that I can really answer it. You know, my now wife and I went to Asia to visit my now brother-in-law who was teaching English in Japan at the time. And we just decided to turn it into this big trip. And, you know, we had these grand plans of trying to visit seven countries and, you know, a two and a half week span. And eventually we

[00:18:45] narrowed it down to three. We visited Thailand, Vietnam, and then Japan. But as much as I love all of those countries, there just is something special about Vietnam to me. I love that. And what about destinations that might be flying under the radar that whether it's individuals or families or couples should maybe consider that they might not be thinking about today? Yeah, that's another good one. You know, I'll try to pick one a little bit closer to home,

[00:19:14] but that one's not coming to me immediately. So I'm going to start far away and talk about Istanbul and all of Turkey really, which, you know, I just don't think gets the credit that it should for being, you know, Istanbul in particular, one of the world's great global cities. I mean, it literally straddles two continents. It is both Europe and Asia. It is, you know, in many ways, the cradle of modern civilization with history at every single corner. Oh, and by the way,

[00:19:43] I would say it's one of, if not the best food cities in the world. Really? So, you know, whether you're a history buff or a foodie, or you just love beautiful architecture, I mean, there's just so much for everyone in Istanbul and Turkey, the rest of Turkey as well. There's, there's a lot of amazing destinations to explore, but if you need a jumping off point to get to Turkey, Istanbul, you really can't top. You know, I, and I love that. And I've seen documentaries on, on Turkey and Istanbul,

[00:20:12] and it looks amazing. For those that are planning travel, and I, and I also love your service where you say, be open to new destinations, right? Because you'll discover something unique and something special. For those who are thinking, how do I save up? How do I do this? We often think, think of credit cards with rewards, right? I have a American Express Delta card, right? What tips or advice do you have for someone who wants to use a credit card? Does that make sense? Or

[00:20:40] which programs are good? There's a lot there. Okay, there was, I'm sorry. No, I mean, there's just a lot to digest with credit cards because there are, you know, dozens of airlines and at this point, nearly a dozen different credit card companies, some of which partner with individual airlines like your Delta SkyMiles Amex cards, and others that are independent, that earn points that you can transfer to a dozen or two dozen different airlines. So what I'd say is

[00:21:09] that, you know, first and foremost, you get what you put in to these things. If you are looking for just a card that you can swipe everywhere and then use towards travel, it's really best to keep things simple and use a credit card, whether it's from a bank like Capital One, where you can earn two miles on every dollar that you spend, and then go back and easily use those miles to erase any travel purchase

[00:21:36] from your credit card statement. I mean, it really just doesn't get simpler than that. If you want to take things to an extreme, you know, earning credit card points that you can transfer to a bunch of different airlines so that you don't just wind up putting your eggs in one basket. And Delta, to its credit, has done a great job at conditioning probably both of you and me as well, to a certain extent, to swipe that Amex SkyMiles credit card everywhere you go. And, you know, I

[00:22:03] think for most Minnesotans as well as, you know, the folks in Atlanta and Detroit and Salt Lake City and Boston, it just becomes second nature to use that everywhere you go. And, you know, in many cases, that's not the best option for people. It's great to have some of those credit cards in your wallet to get free bags for the whole family and board the plane a little bit earlier to get settled in and use on a day-to-day basis. In many cases, just by putting a little bit more time into, you know,

[00:22:33] what you want, doing a little bit of extra research about, you know, what kind of credit card might suit your travel goals a little bit better, you can get a lot more out of it. I know. I feel like I don't take advantage of all the perks that get loaded into these programs. Me too. And just recently, I went down the rabbit hole of going through my account to see all the connections to the hotel perks and the travel perks with ride share and everything else. I'm like, I'm not using any of this. So it's a lot of work to like figure it all out and then to make sure that

[00:23:02] you use those points and rewards. And so appreciate those tips. And I'm going to be looking at your resource to learn more about how to maximize that out. Including the Sky Club, right? Yeah. All those things. Like that's a perk that you look forward to and I need to analyze. Does this make sense? Is this the best way to do it? I'll tell you with grandkids, it's a nice perk to go in there and get some food and rest a little bit right away from the craziness.

[00:23:26] I was wondering, do you have a favorite destination that is domestic or adventure, you might say? You know, I don't think I'm going to blow any minds by saying Hawaii is pretty awesome. Yeah. But I don't think the island of Kauai gets enough credit. You know, I think a lot of people default to Maui in particular. Oahu as well. Oahu being the one with the most nonstop flights from the mainland.

[00:23:55] But Kauai really is my favorite of the main four islands that I've visited. It is one of the most beautiful places, not just in the country, but in the world. I mean, the lush greenery, the rocky canyons in Waimea Canyon. If you're a hiker, it's some of the best hiking that I've personally ever done. If you're not a hiker and you just want to stay in the car, even just driving

[00:24:19] Waimea Canyon is an incredible experience. The vibe on Kauai, though, it just is so laid back. You know, there's the phrase island time, which you hear not just in Hawaii, but, you know, plenty of other destinations too. But Kauai takes it to an entirely different level. I have a feeling Dan is going to tap into more of your expertise because he has a Hawaiian vacation coming up. And so I do. First time ever. Are we about to make this podcast go an hour? Yeah. Just talking about Kauai.

[00:24:49] We could just talk about that. But I really want to tap into your expertise when it comes to traveling. We're all looking for those hacks to make the experience easier, more enjoyable. And there's so many things that are out there. You get caught on social media and taking a look at what travel influencers are doing and obviously going to your site and being able to dive in deeper, I think will help all of us become better travelers and prepare better. But other travel hacks that you have, obviously traveling to so many destinations that you do, you've probably

[00:25:18] learned ways to streamline things a bit. So anything else you'd like to share with our viewers and listeners? You know, I think one of the most stressful parts, two of the most stressful parts of any trip to the airport is luggage and then security. And it just sets a terrible tone for any trip. And, you know, I'm going to start off with a caveat that packing in a carry-on bag is very difficult.

[00:25:43] It can be impossible, especially for families who just have so much that they need to bring with them. But for many people, checking a bag is just default. It is reflex. It is my bag is this big, it's going to get packed full. And so I would challenge anyone who feels like maybe they should give it a try, even if it's just on a short domestic trip coming up. Try packing in just a carry-on bag. Because if you can cut down on the amount of shoes that you bring and pack smaller,

[00:26:14] sorry, sorry, I know. If you can pack, you know, smaller toiletries so you don't need those bigger bottles of liquid, being able to skip that bag drop off and just go straight to security saves you time, it saves you money, it saves you the stress of potentially losing all of your belongings. If the airline screws up and all of a sudden you've got to go find a target somewhere to buy

[00:26:37] a couple of days worth of clothes and toiletries, it saves you time at the airport that you're flying to because you don't have to wait 20, 40, an hour to wait for your bag to come down that carousel. So it just, it sets the tone again, if you are able to, to be able to do it. And I will say, you know, my wife and I travel exclusively with carry-ons, including for two or three week international trips. How do you possibly do that?

[00:27:06] A lot of practice. And it starts with that quick domestic trip where you just challenge yourself because I would, I would challenge you the next time you pack in a checked bag and you take a big trip, do some inventory when you get home and pick out the things. Oh, for sure. I never use everything. Not to put you on blast, but. Oh, guilty as charged. I never use everything that I bring because I just, just in case you need to have those extra pieces.

[00:27:31] And this is the thing about packing is whatever amount of space you have, whether it's a smaller carry-on or the biggest check bag that the airlines allow, you are going to fill every single square inch of that bag. Yeah. So if you limit yourself to a carry-on bag, at least starting with that shorter domestic trip, I think everyone would be surprised at how much they can cut out of what they pack and still have everything that they need. How about any tips for family, I'm thinking spring break again,

[00:27:59] families that are traveling domestically, hopefully here to Minnesota and Mall of America, but any tips, hacks on parking, on hotels, anything like that? You know, the light rail really is marvelous for getting to the airport. You know, there's a, I think it's called Park Ride and Fly, where you can park in some of the downtown ramps in Minneapolis. So if you're coming from, you know, northern suburbs, western suburbs, getting to,

[00:28:29] you know, one of the downtown ramps parking for, it's an astonishingly reasonable amount. I couldn't tell you what it is off the top of my head. And then riding the light rail to the airport, I mean, you can save so much money compared to, you know, the, you know, $30, $40 a day in parking here at MSP. And, you know, the same is true at many other airports across the country as well. So that's a big one. So I have a final question, if that's right. And it's for both of you.

[00:28:58] If you could take two dream trips in the next year, what would those destinations be? And I'm going to start right over here. This is going to sound like a brag, but I can't, I can't not make it sound like a brag. My wife and I have been trying to get to South Africa for as long as we've been together, which is more than 10 years now. And by the time, you know, everybody is listening to this, we'll be on our way there.

[00:29:26] So that is, that is really special that we're able to make that happen this year. So I'm really looking forward to that. And one other dream destination. The other thing is that my wife and I have a goal to hit all seven continents by the time that we're 40. So we've got a good five years. But Antarctica, go figure, is number seven. So we've got five more years to figure out a way to get to Antarctica.

[00:29:51] Okay. I'm way behind, first of all, getting on those continents. Well, those are dream vacations and he's a travel expert. Those should probably be our dream vacations, but Hawaii, you hit one of them. We were supposed to go there on spring break during COVID and it got canceled and that's still on our list to get back. So we have not been there yet. And Australia is a dream vacation of mine. I've always wanted to go to Australia. So there's all, I have a whole long list. So just to say too, it was hard because I love to travel and we've really tried as a family to just try different

[00:30:19] destinations. You have your favorites that you go back to, but there's just so many amazing destinations. So excited to continue to travel. But like I said, I've got a little catching up to do. Yeah, exactly. We're going to work on that. And I will tell you quite honestly, Antarctica is not on my list. Yeah, I'd say that's probably not. I like to go warm if we can go warm. It doesn't sound as exciting when it's been like negative 20 here for the last week. Right. I don't want to go right now. Five years from now is going to be fine,

[00:30:48] I think. And hopefully, you know, in like July instead of January. Oh, very fun. I would love to go to Japan one day. I've had some friends that have gone there and they say it's just an amazing country. And I would love to go to the Nordic Scandinavian countries because that's kind of my heritage. I've never been there. I'd love to try that as well. Thank you for your time today, Kyle. This has been enlightening. It's been a fun experience. Since we'd encourage everyone to visit thriftytraveler.com. Tons of tips, tons of good

[00:31:17] travel ideas on there. And to look at the subscription too, because for $99, you might up finding a destination on this planet that is going to amaze and change your life as well. And thank you, Jill, for joining us on this conversation again today. I'm ready to start doing some shopping online, look for some travel. I am too. I think I'm going to go sign up for Thrifty Traveler this afternoon. You'll have a new subscriber. That's all I'm saying. And for all of those listening and watching today,

[00:31:44] thank you for joining so much more. We invite you to subscribe, to share, to like our podcast, and be sure to check out thriftytraveler.com. Kyle, thanks so much again.