Ep. 37: Artist Adam Turman, Celebrating Minnesota Icons thru Art

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[00:00:43] Convention and Visitors Bureau. Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of So Much More. I am Dan Jasper, Senior Vice President of MOA Press and I am joined by my co-host Jill Renzlo, our Chief Business Development and Marketing Officer here at Mall of America.

[00:00:59] We have a very special guest that we're excited to welcome to the studio, Minnesota artist Adam Terman. You may have seen his bold colorful style on murals and artwork around town depicting Minnesota landmarks and characters. He captures the whimsical yet hearty Minnesota

[00:01:17] spirit in a way unlike any other artist does. His artwork can be found from surly brewing to massive parking decks to the great Minnesota get together and of course right here at Mall of America as well. He works with major brands, independent businesses and private collectors

[00:01:34] to make art a part of our everyday experience and with that we welcome Adam to the show. Welcome Adam. God you know I love these intros because they make me, it's like this huge dopamine

[00:01:44] rush you guys. It's always super fun so thanks for that awesome. Yeah thank you. It's so good to have you here. Thank you. We love you. You have a long connection with Mall of America but you are a Minnesota native. You were born and raised here correct?

[00:01:58] We don't like to talk about that part too much because I was actually, so don't tell this to anybody right? It's between us. Right uh-huh. I was born in California but I moved here when I was 10 and so I kind of say like

[00:02:12] wherever you go through puberty is sort of where you're from. Okay I'm from here. I've been here for a long, long time and I just, I love everything Minnesota. I love all the folklore

[00:02:22] and Dan that's kind of what you're getting at with like the a lot of Minnesota-esque stuff and then that hearty comment that you're talking about. I mean yeah I love all the stuff here

[00:02:33] you know like everything from Paul Bunyan to the lakes to we have like way more than 10,000 lakes but we just call it that all that stuff I love it. It's always great when somebody

[00:02:42] comes here and stays here because it is a secret gem right across the United States so we love having you here. Well thank you I'm gonna stay. I do too and in very natural Minnesota style you're like

[00:02:54] we have way more than 10,000 lakes but we're gonna downplay everything right? And that's who we are. Yeah very humble. We started off right away talking about some of those icons some of those signature elements Paul Bunyan and the bridge that goes over the river and I'm drawing a

[00:03:12] blank on the name. Oh Stone Arch Bridge. Yes the Stone Arch Bridge you really pick out Minnesota icons and you play on that including some brands that have been around forever correct? Yeah I mean

[00:03:22] I like to describe the work as kind of being this sort of like deep local right so it's yeah it's the iconic things that you see in Minnesota that you know is representative

[00:03:35] of where we are and all that but I'm taking it a little bit deeper than that so if you're from here you really know what is going on like the you know I did a pop art series this last summer

[00:03:48] at the State Fair for some merchandise that I did and some of the yeah oh I'm gonna back up here too what's funny is we're doing a podcast right so people can't see I mean yes there's some video

[00:03:59] component to this too but my stuff is so visual so I'm just gonna try to stumble my way through like describing things right but you know like I did oh for sure and it you know it's kind of a

[00:04:11] representation of a little known brand that makes this awesome sour cream dip you know so things like that and you know just when you take like for example it's called top the tater so when you

[00:04:22] take top the tater too like it may be another state people just don't get it but here it's very important thing just like hot dishes really important here and you know all those kinds of

[00:04:31] things so I love all that stuff I just kind of love that you know I don't know just the the the funny folklore and it's just kind of silly and that goes back to that whimsy thing you're talking

[00:04:41] about too I love all that stuff it really does take us back though to how you got your start right you're in an agency for a while and you did some posters and I've heard some interviews

[00:04:51] you've done and then talk a little bit about your breakthrough moment and um I did no coast oh wow aroma yeah yeah you're going all the way back to the show so tell us a little bit about your

[00:05:03] origins and was that a breakthrough moment and and did that launch you in cheer clear let's break down these questions so the first one was how did I get my start basically I've

[00:05:12] been drawing forever making stuff I mean that's what I'm into I love to make art I just like to I can't not do that so I went to school for graphic design I graduated with a degree in

[00:05:25] graphic design back in 99 from the University of Minnesota you know go gophers and um then I got jobs basically out of school doing like what was called interactive design at the time web design

[00:05:37] that kind of thing but that was all brand new so a lot of agencies had like a print department but they didn't really have like a web or interactive component so it was like this

[00:05:45] kind of new scary thing so I was a part of that but I found that what was really happening was I wasn't using the skills that got me the jobs in the actual jobs that I was doing so for

[00:05:56] example in my book my portfolio I had just like a lot of illustration work in there and then I wasn't doing that kind of work when I got actually into the business doing agency work

[00:06:07] so on the side I would just so I'm breaking down that question right so now we're going to the next part that that Dan you were talking about was like I started to really

[00:06:16] want to draw more and that's the thing that kind of gets me going is to like make stuff and be physical right with like you know analog hand drawing things and so I met um uh design an

[00:06:29] illustrative illustrator collective and they were doing gig posters for different musical venues around town like First Avenue the triple rock we have to pour a little out for the triple rock because we missed them there that place was awesome turf club you know little venues like

[00:06:46] that around town we would get the email from the promoter or from the um you know basically from the venue you know First Avenue about what bands were coming and then all of us would get this

[00:06:57] email and then we would kind of pick and choose who got what you know artists to to do a gig poster for then we would have to reach out get permission from that band

[00:07:07] management to say like yes this is okay to actually make a poster and then I started learning my screen print chops from from that that business where you know I didn't know anything about

[00:07:18] screen printing but there were at the time this was like before Facebook and like my space so you know it was around and all that and um so the kids listening and are gonna be like what

[00:07:27] is going on but this was all like forums right so there was like screen printing forum how to learn how to screen print but with this collective we would get together and

[00:07:37] we would actually print together and learn things and it was just really fun and I I got to also collaborate with some other amazing artists you know local artists around here and um and even

[00:07:46] because we were part of the forum um which was called at the time it was gigposters.com I was connected with artists all around the world too who are doing similar work and like that was

[00:07:56] super inspiring like this is awesome so you know flash forward I had a day job and it just wasn't the most fulfilling and I was not you know able to do um you know all the super

[00:08:11] creative work that I really wanted to be doing and just like making things and the work that I was doing there you could never really tell that it was actually me and in my work like you can

[00:08:20] now so I quit my day job in 2012 that was super scary I got to work in my in my basement and you know my wife she was super supportive and you know we just basically put kind of a game plan

[00:08:31] together and we put a budget together like if if you want to do this we need to make develop this much a month to not have to like dial back anything that we're doing and that was

[00:08:40] kind of a big thing for me is like I want to make sure that I am doing okay and you know able to provide and all this kind of stuff financially la la la so 2012 I quit my day job

[00:08:51] and I just went for it and that's scary you know it's like jumping off the you know the high dive or whatever and um you know it's it's been a ride ever since but it's super fun and I love it

[00:09:03] I'm super excited and I get to work with cool brands and people like you guys so yay such an amazing story I'm very inspiring because you took that leap of faith and

[00:09:12] look where you're at today and I think I would be interested to hear what was that one piece of art or that project or that client that really hit that tipping point for you that really just

[00:09:23] accelerated your career so you didn't have to worry about that paycheck to paycheck situation good question and um you know I've kind of said this before in some other presentations

[00:09:35] I've done and then you picked on it earlier with you know Surly and so in 2007 um and I'm just gonna like put like little like asterisks on this the story because like you can't do this these days right

[00:09:51] so anyways Surly I asked them for beer for a party and this is back in 2007 and it was like you know a couple of kegs of beer for this party that we were having for a bunch of gig

[00:10:03] poster artists putting on a show at the Sulp factory and yet right by the Stone Arch bridge right though in the milling district and Surly was gracious enough to you know basically hand over

[00:10:17] some kegs and I said if I do this I will then do a gig poster for you for free and so Omar was just like he was into it and that was cool so I got to do that the party was super fun

[00:10:30] and then we even got kegs at the after part of it at the closing closing reception too which was pretty fun again you cannot do this these days and I don't do work for free like this either I don't

[00:10:39] do trade like this but um then what happened was uh Surly started using me for a lot of their kind of firsts that they were doing so like their first Surly Fest for example technically I'm

[00:10:54] the second Surly darkness artist no no no I take that back I am the first Surly darkness artist I'm the second anniversary artist okay and you know things like that so and then there's this really cool mural that I that I got the opportunity to do

[00:11:12] and this is back in like 2012-ish I think or something around that that time frame and that was for Butcher and the Boar which is on 12th and Hennepin downtown Butcher and

[00:11:25] the Boar is no longer there now it's I think The Butcher's Tale or something like that and the reason why I did that mural was because with Surly I had done a mural previously with a good

[00:11:37] buddy of mine who's now actually one of the head brewers at Surly and the Butcher and the Boar people were going to Surly to go and get their beer and then they stopped by and they saw this

[00:11:49] mural that's up on top of their tap room and they said who did that Omar gave them my name and then I get to do a mural on the side of their building what's important about that in my career is

[00:11:57] that that particular mural at Butcher and the Boar is on a really high traveled yes road series of streets in downtown Minneapolis and a major bus line so people saw it every day I put

[00:12:10] my name on it really big and my my web address up there and so people could contact me and I got more work based on that so that was really exciting so that was kind of you know

[00:12:19] you're asking about one of those catalyst jobs I mean that's it yeah can look at it that way too I suppose yeah that's great thanks for sharing yeah well and you talked

[00:12:30] about working with a couple of big brands there you've done a lot of work with Mall of America in the past and some big brands here yeah would you talk about some of the experiences what maybe

[00:12:38] how you first started with them all and some of the things that you've done here and I'm looking at a special can sitting right in front of you this guy there you designed we're not

[00:12:47] allowed to open these no these are these are clasher yeah we have a sharpie I know I designed that for you oh please so let's see uh back in so so when I got these questions the other day I was like

[00:13:00] gosh when did I really when did I start working with them all like when when did that happen and so I looked back in my files 2015 that was fashion week 2015 and I think what I did that

[00:13:14] was just a cold call I mean you guys called me and said you know what you do here's what we want to do and and and I thought it was like the coolest thing ever this was cool because I got to do a poster

[00:13:25] for fashion week and like basically a gig poster yeah and then we also had a black and white t-shirt design of that too and and then they wanted you guys wanted me to give away those those

[00:13:38] prints they're on site which was new for me I'd never done something like that before and literally give them away and then um which we don't do anymore no and then um but if you guys ask me to

[00:13:49] yes of course we would um but then uh and then also free t-shirts too and that those are some buddies that I was working with that were doing the t-shirt thing another thing that was cool about

[00:13:58] that was that that was the largest print run that I had ever done and so I think it was like 800 prints and I was thinking about this like last night fall in sleep I was like

[00:14:09] how long did that take me and so it's about 800 prints but really I did about probably 950 because you lose a lot when you're doing the print printing process and um there were four color

[00:14:21] and each so when you screen print each color is a separate run and each time that I was printing that many and I was hustling it was about a four and a half hours for each color just sitting there

[00:14:33] yeah you know and going back and forth and printing and it was it was a lot of work and also the table was so heavy with paper that I had to divide it up a little bit so my my table

[00:14:43] which is not the flimsiest you know it's pretty flimsy wouldn't fall over so anyway that was that was kind of that was an exciting you know project to work on um oh and then like uh what was the

[00:14:54] other things it's like oh the Pepsi can of course we were talking about that so then you guys called me up again yeah for a couple years ago so glad he answers his phone yeah thank you

[00:15:03] yeah for picking up and and you know uh celebrating Pepsi in the mall for 30 years how cool is that you guys invited me to be a part of that and um I did a a wrap like a vinyl wrap um kind of

[00:15:18] of a mural around one of the escalators here and um you'll have to remember remind me what entrance it is north side it is north side okay and then um on top of that um the Pepsi wanted

[00:15:30] can design done so I helped with that too and that I've never had my stuff on a Pepsi can before so that was super cool limited edition I don't think you could get them anymore and then um what was the

[00:15:41] other thing oh live painting yeah as well yeah which we just looked at in our office it's hanging proudly in our office we love that piece of artwork thank you for doing that thank you you

[00:15:50] know and Mav America has really tried to lean into art over the past decade and you were one of our first artists that we reached out to recognizing your recognition of Minnesota art and really leaning into that we love your bold simplistic colorful artwork and it was just

[00:16:08] such a great collaboration with our brand so when we reached out to you to do that fashion piece it was it honestly launched us into a whole new area of how we could merge our brand with the

[00:16:20] art community here in Minneapolis and St. Paul and across Minnesota so we thank you thank you for believing in us and helping co-create these amazing pieces yay oh that's a big warm fuzzy

[00:16:31] I love that well and you have another huge wall here at Mall of America in our North Atrium yes which you partnered with Explore Minnesota who's a big partner of ours as well they have a big

[00:16:41] Explore Minnesota wall with brochures and stuff and it is it's your artwork yeah and every image you can think of is in there right yes it's basically jam packed with everything Minnesota

[00:16:52] you could possibly think of really I mean it's that file was so big to work it I mean there were like so many things happening in that thing so yeah that was super fun to work on that

[00:17:03] so I have a question for you when you have all these iconic components that you integrate into your art whether that's Paul Bunyan if it's the pillberry dough boy whatever that is how what

[00:17:12] is the the approval process with those icons or because of an artist if you take your own iteration or vision of that like what is that approval process is in is there one and how do you

[00:17:25] make sure that you have maybe I'm getting them in trouble right now but I mean and then how do you maintain your creative process when you're working with these brands that have been already

[00:17:37] established or a client that gives you direction like Mall of America because you still need to put your mark yeah and have your signature style integrated in that so talk a little bit about that first part of your question it's murky fair enough yeah I mean it's

[00:17:53] you know sort of a you know beg for forgiveness sometimes afterwards but I also try to put everything in a really positive light I'm not doing anything negative I'm you know I love

[00:18:04] everything I love all the brands that are here so that that kind of thing okay so Joe what was the second part of the question how do you maintain your creative process and your distinct

[00:18:15] style when you're working with a client such as Mall of America or I mean you work with so many different brands yeah but when there's a task at hand or a request for you how do you

[00:18:24] fulfill that but yet still keep your creative style integrated and make sure it's signature for what you develop I mean that's the challenge I mean that's my job so brands are usually

[00:18:34] coming to me and clients are usually coming to me because they already like what I do so that that process is pretty easy but then it's you know trying then it is trying to add my style

[00:18:46] on to it I mean that's the difference between graphic designer Adam and and artist Adam so you know as a graphic designer I should be integrating everything seamlessly you couldn't even tell that it's me doing it right with my style but that's what brands are you know

[00:19:00] contacting me to do work for them is to make it look like that but sometimes I get projects where it's just like a million things that they won't put in it yeah you know like explore Minnesota

[00:19:12] for example but then it's also my job to try to simplify a little bit too on some of those things and then just add in things that just make sense for for the project so but that's also

[00:19:24] yes here I am going back and forth right but that's like the graphic designer in me too is to like try to solve that problem that there that communication problem that they have I mean

[00:19:32] you know that from marketing you know you're trying to communicate a message all the time and then how should that message look and then that's that's where I come in and I just try to

[00:19:39] do my best basically and the the process is really transparent it's really open with the clients is to like what are they looking for and and what can I help them with and also you know

[00:19:52] sketch approval and all that going back and forth and I mean they have a chance to react to it and say like oh we could change this or oh yeah hopefully it's always we love that no

[00:20:00] changes but you know you never know that's great I love that and and brands do work with you because they do know your style and and it's a beloved style and I'm going to transition that

[00:20:11] to the Minnesota State Fair because outside of Mall of America that's probably the next busiest place right for the 12 days that it's in operation there's a lot of people there yes

[00:20:22] and I was telling Adam as we were walking into the studio that I'm there every opening day and at 9 a.m. on opening day I am standing at the top of the ramp to go into the grandstand

[00:20:31] to enter his booth yeah your hardcore which got three times as large this year yeah what's the state fair mean to you oh it's just bonkers um the the yes the booth is three times the size of

[00:20:44] what he was the year before the state fair to me is truly the great Minnesota get together I mean I know that that sounds really like a cheesy answer but it's true I didn't realize that really

[00:20:56] when I first started going to the fair when I was a little kid and then now that I'm like a part of it that now I feel like it's all family and it just it's a different

[00:21:06] experience for me now because I know kind of the back end of it a little bit more I know people I can say hi to people I don't feel like I'm going just once I'm trying to knock out everything

[00:21:15] and in one day where I'm tired and cranky and I just want to get this over with I don't want to stand line blah blah now I'm there not not as many days as you I'm probably there last

[00:21:25] year was there about eight or nine days but you know um now I don't feel that pressure I can just like have more fun with it and people are there to say hi to me and hang out and have fun and even

[00:21:35] on our on our lunch breaks um someone will come into the store that we're just like that or to the booth or whatever that we're just like oh my gosh it's you let's go to lunch and then we

[00:21:45] go and have a good time so that's where that Minnesota get together thing really does come forward for me we're walking down you know one of the streets there or whatever and

[00:21:53] you come across somebody that you're just like hey it's you and then we'll just go and hang out and it's that's what I just love about the fair it really does truly bring people together

[00:22:01] it's pretty cool it's a big question for you I heard one of your goals was to meet sweet Martha did you get a chance to meet her and are we going to see a cookie pale in the

[00:22:09] future no not gonna happen not gonna happen we my grand idea I thought would be really cool would be to design a limited edition yeah sweet Martha's bucket I just thought that would be super

[00:22:21] cool and um we sent an email out we got a response back uh within about 20 minutes saying not interested so we tried I would be first in line for a cookie but on the other hand I would be there too

[00:22:34] I completely understand their position on that like why open a candleworms when you don't need to so I totally get it too funny sure they're both Minnesota traditions right yeah at the state fair kind of a two-part question one is what advice would you have for brands

[00:22:50] that want to work with an artist and part two is what advice do you have for a young entrepreneur who's scared to take the leap oh gosh are these some of these tough questions at the end here

[00:23:00] that you're talking about why not build up how about the brands if a brand wants to work with an artist yeah they be thinking about well try to keep things a little open you know

[00:23:11] have some fun with it I mean especially with artists not necessarily designers um you know working with artists you want to as a brand I would imagine that you have something that you

[00:23:22] want to promote you know and you want to try to sell or communicate or something like that but when the the the the brand constrictions are so constricting then it makes things

[00:23:34] not as easy to to do to get some of these fun ideas across um however um you know I'm working with a another big Minnesota brand right now and it was actually it's actually like a super cool process

[00:23:49] where they came with the whole idea they came with a sketch for me and then I get to put it in my own style and so okay yes I have to think about it but it's kind of being like spoon fed

[00:24:00] to me a little bit like this is great yes and then they just wanted to my style so what the entrepreneur thing yeah you talked about that moment when you and your wife discussed it and when

[00:24:10] let's do it I'm gonna quit my job here I go what advice you have for someone who's on that break and is scared because that's a scary leap to take right just make stuff I mean at least

[00:24:23] all I can really do is like speak to my experience of like how I got there and for me it was like a lot of making stuff and then networking and then just talking to people

[00:24:32] getting to know people trying things reaching out um you know I mean you're not gonna go anywhere if you don't do anything right so if you just sit there and you know in front of a computer and

[00:24:43] you're not but if actually if you sit there on a computer and you're reaching out to people that's different I mean yeah you know so it's it's just I don't know I I I absolutely

[00:24:53] submerge myself in in in like art and what I'm doing I'm just that's what I live and breathe so as far as like entrepreneurial things like I always think of as a of an entrepreneur is like

[00:25:05] somebody who is just really into trying a whole lot of different things for me it's trying a whole lot of different things within a very focused field for me so I don't branch out a

[00:25:16] whole lot like I'm not looking to start up like a like a shoe line or anything you know even though if someone came up to me and wanted me to design shoes like or like you know create art

[00:25:24] on shoes yes I would be totally into that so but you know it's it's that kind of thing so reach out network okay it's good advice it's a cheesy answer but that's what worked for me

[00:25:36] good advice that's great um I have uh one other quick question and then we're gonna go to our we told you this would go quickly yeah didn't we that uh we'll go to some quick response

[00:25:47] answers here at the end our time has flown by uh with you Adam I read in an interview once that your wife quoted was quoted saying that one of his favorite things to do is to make his mom cry

[00:26:00] hopefully there's a good story there right did my you wow listen to that you're you're diving deep I love it but I wasn't sure what the context was so I'm curious okay so the context on

[00:26:12] that is that in the past I've made some gifts that are usually handmade gifts for like my mom and you know like I've I made her a couple like you know paintings and like a couple little books or

[00:26:22] just something that's nice and you know it makes her tear up and then like that's my goal is like see if I can get people to cry this is stuff I make we actually talk about that yeah yeah

[00:26:33] no where were you well like you know would you rather get a gift that is just like something that you just whatever I saw it at the grocery store and I just had to get it real fast because

[00:26:44] I had nothing to get you it's like that SNL skit with the candle that comes out of the purse right you know versus actually putting some time effort thought and really thinking about that person

[00:26:54] and what is important about that person to give to them so we talk about that all the time where if you hit the different ends of the spectrum for emotion the laughter the crying you really

[00:27:04] can connect with people so yeah you guys are gonna make me cry now all right let's do this and they did go really fast so I'm gonna ask a question for both of you I'd love you just to answer

[00:27:14] and this is kind of my research into you and and so I'll start with Adam then Jill if you would answer too what is your favorite brewery or brew so if you don't want to mention a brewery

[00:27:25] what's your favorite beer if not well you you already know mine you know like I love the like Shirley's home for me yeah just because of like my longevity and everything else I just

[00:27:33] absolutely I love them I just I just I just love them and then my favorite brew as of right now is one that's called before I die okay and it's a it's a hoppy logger that they make and you can

[00:27:47] have a few of them and it's really low alcohol and it tastes really yummy so that's that's my deal Jill I'll start with my Minnesota favorite would be summit because I have a close friend that

[00:27:56] works there and if I didn't say that I'd be in trouble um but outside Minnesota Lion Cools I'm a summer shandy fan okay yeah yeah yeah that sounds good I know you like to ride bikes

[00:28:07] what's your favorite bike ride or route or where would you like to do that I always say go out west so I I like to go from um this is so if I'm going out you know from my house I live in

[00:28:19] St. Louis Park for all the Minnesota people listening in on this and so I go out west on what we call the crush and it's just the crush limestone and just go out and have a good day on

[00:28:30] the crush and it's just super fun and then my favorite my one of my main reasons of going out west is because then I get pushed home you know because the the easterly winds push me home so like I

[00:28:41] kind of like that you know as far as the least you're getting back yeah yeah yeah Jill me either bike ride or hike or um I love to explore different trails just always have something

[00:28:50] different to look at I mean if you head south Minnesota I mean there's so many trails that were converted from train tracks that um that are just it's brilliant to be able to take that

[00:29:02] real estate and turn it into trails that people can just really enjoy the outdoors I agree it's fun uh favorite state fair food oh okay so my go-to is typically the

[00:29:15] chicken in a waffle okay which is a waffle cone with a bunch of like chicken and gravy on it it's at the blue barn yeah and then um there's a little malted milk ball treat at the end of that which is pretty

[00:29:28] fun yep it's hard to have one love the turkey sandwich cheese curds mini donuts let's go on and on there's someone who's been to the fair once or twice with you you've shown me all the secret

[00:29:41] gems it is fun to try out the new foods yes however I like to try out the new foods the second time that they're at the fair because the first time is usually this crazy long line so you're

[00:29:50] you're right good call wait till the next year and then finally what is your favorite thing here at mall of america oh god these are great questions um checking out all my art no um I agree you know

[00:30:04] this is gonna this again again is going to sound like a cheesy answer people watching yeah I mean the people that come here are wild it's awesome I mean you got you you I'm not gonna get into

[00:30:18] it because I'll probably get myself in trouble but it's it's just even just walking in here today awesome awesome you just you have no idea what you're gonna find here and every day is different

[00:30:28] it's amazing it's a similar pastime as a state fair right totally love to people watch there here yeah everywhere and I would agree I love the people watching and also um I really appreciate our art installations because they're unexpected when people stumble across them here and we love

[00:30:43] to see people taking photos and capturing those memories in a different light here at the mall I love how Jill kind of answered that for me thank you I'm gonna take that very selfishly

[00:30:53] and be like yes good job y'all absolutely and with that we want to thank you Adam for joining us today we want to thank all of our guests for listening to this episode we loved having Adam

[00:31:02] as a guest if you're interested in his products or his art you can find that at adamtermann.com there's a lot of great items there and actually the homepage right now I absolutely love I just

[00:31:14] ordered that prior to taping this so thank you for joining us for this edition of So Much More and to Adam and Jill thanks for joining us yay thanks for having me thank you for tuning

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